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Prep course cutoffs for SC/STs to dip by 55%

Prep course cutoffs for SC/STs to dip by 55%

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8 Aug 2008, 0309 hrs IST, Hemali Chhapia,TNN

MUMBAI: For the first time in the history of IITs, a second round of
admissions is on to fill vacant seats at all its 13 campuses. More
students will also be accommodated in the preparatory course, which is
like a feeder class that trains SC and ST students for a year to equip
them to qualify for the IITs. Students need to take a test at the end
of the year-long tutorial.

If they qualify, the gates of IITs are opened to them. For the
preparatory course, each IIT relaxes the lowest SC and ST cutoffs by
55%. With that figure being 104 for both reserved categories this
year, the preparatory course cutoff turned out to be 57 out of a total
of 489. This cutoff will dip further if additional students have to be
admitted.

Prasad said, "We will also begin running the preparatory course at the
six new IITs from this year.'' While this will put an additional
burden on the overnight-born institutes, it will prevent a repeat of
the ''vacant seat'' scenario next year as those candidates will be
eligible for admission then.

The older IITs managed to fill some SC/ST seats with students who were
admitted to the preparatory course in 2007, but there were no such
admissions at the new IITs. This year's sorry situation was the result
of the government commissioning six new IITs (thus increasing the pool
of seats by 720), which simultaneously led to the increase of quota
seats (for which there were not enough eligible applicants).

Despite lowering the cutoff percentage in the name of affirmative
action, not enough reserved category students could make the grade.

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Quota seats go empty at mining college

Quota seats go empty at mining college

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AMIT GUPTA & SANTOSH K.. KIRO
Ranchi, Aug. 5: At least 149 seats, reserved for SC and ST students,
would go empty at the Indian School of Mines University (ISMU),
Dhanbad, this year.

Admission to this coveted mining engineering college was through
IIT-JEE, but ISMU authorities believe that out of a total of 612
seats, this year would record 149 vacancies, most of them in seats
reserved for students belonging to Scheduled Tribe (ST) and Scheduled
Caste (SC) categories.

At IITs, too, initial calculations suggest about 432 seats would remain vacant.

This trend, both at ISM and the IITs, is a direct fallout of six new
IITs that have been commissioned by the Centre leading to an increase
in the number of quota seats.

"Out of 159 seats reserved for SC/ST students, only 10 SC category
students got admission to the BTech course," said T Kumar, ISMU
director. "No one from the ST category has got admission."

If it's any consolation, 99 students had been chosen from both
categories to be admitted to ISMU's preparatory course which would
equip them to join the main course next year. These students, 34 more
than last year, would be trained in basic physics, chemistry,
mathematics, English and Hindi.

These students, who qualified through the IIT JEE, aren't as
proficient as their counterparts in the general or OBC categories.
"Hence they are trained for a year before they are inculcated into the
full-time programme," Kumar explained. "Only after completing the
training some of them would they be inducted into the first year BTech
course for the academic session 2008-2009," he added.

Tribal organisations are alarmed at this trend. Some even allege foul
play. "It is hard to believe that there is a dearth of talent among
tribal students. The vacancies of reserved seats in the IITs were
probably created because something went wrong somewhere," said Nishit
Ekka, secretary of the Tribal Medical Association.

Ekka pointed out that in 2005, only one boy had qualified to study
medicine in Jharkhand as against 12 in 2006. "However, after we
intervened and told the state to rectify the process of selection, the
number of tribal students who qualified for medical colleges increased
up to 38 in 2007. Also, 87 others qualified for medical colleges out
of the state," he noted.

Special secretary in the welfare department B.C. Nigam attributed the
issue to lack of coaching facilities for tribal students aspiring to
get into IITs. "Though there is no dearth of talent among tribals,
they fail to make the mark due to inadequate opportunities, " he said.

He said Jharkhand needed to focus on imparting high quality coaching
for IIT aspirants so that they could qualify in the entrance
examinations
. The welfare department, he added, ran various schemes
through which it financed coaching for tribal students aiming to
become doctors, engineers or civil servants.

But as of now, these are yet to show results.

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Quotas for IIT faculty unlikely this year

Quotas for IIT faculty unlikely this year

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NEW DELHI: Quotas in the selection of Indian Institutes of Technology (IIT) faculty are unlikely to be implemented this academic year as these premier tech-schools want the government to reconsider the controversial proposal. All the 13 IITs, including the six new ones, have requested the human resource development (HRD) ministry for a “second thought” about implementing quotas for marginalised sections of society in the faculties.

“Nothing is finalised as yet. It's under review again,” IIT Delhi director Surendra Prasad told IANS. "Experts and the authorities are deliberating the situation in the ministry." The HRD ministry directed all the IITs in June to implement 27 percent quota for Other Backward Classes, 15 percent for Schedules Castes and 7.5 percent for Scheduled Castes in its faculty selection.

The decision came after the implementation of 27 percent quota in all central government aided higher educational institutes, albeit partially, this year. Soon after the direction was passed on to the IITs, the premier engineering colleges expressed their displeasure by protesting in campuses.

At least three IITs, including IIT Delhi, had carried out candlelight marches to express their dissent over the government decision. “We have lot of things to say but can we?” asked an IIT Delhi professor. “It's sad that government is not understanding the situation. In the IIT system, the best teachers should get a chance to mould students into leaders. There is no feeling of any social strata in the IITs,” the professor said requesting anonymity.

“The only consideration is talent and let's not dilute it.” An official of IIT Kharagpur said instead of implementing quota in faculty positions, the government must come forward to fill up the all ready vacant teaching posts. The shortage is most acute at IIT Roorkee, which has a sanctioned strength of 575 faculties but at present it has little less than 350 faculty members.

Similarly, IIT Delhi and IIT Guwahati are facing a faculty shortage of up to 15 percent. The situation in other IITs is not much different either. An IIT director told IANS that though all the IITs had asked the HRD ministry to reconsider the proposal, they were “almost helpless”. “Let me be very frank. We are government institutes and cannot defy government order. If they (government) think that whatever they are doing is right, there is no way we can stop them. The only victim will be quality,” the director said adding: “Let's watch.”

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Delicate Obama Path on Class and Race Preferences

Delicate Obama Path on Class and Race Preferences

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Obama Presidential Campaign, via Associated Press

Barack Obama at Harvard, where he was the first black president of The Harvard Law Review.

Published: August 3, 2008

In 1990, as his fellow students rallied to protest the dearth of black professors at Harvard Law School, Barack Obama wrote a vigorous defense of affirmative action. The campus was in an uproar over questions of race, and Mr. Obama, then the first black president of The Harvard Law Review, decided to take a stand.

Mr. Obama said he had “undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in his own academic career, and he praised the intellectual heft and wide-ranging views of his diverse staff.

“The success of the program speaks for itself,” he said of the law review’s affirmative action policy in a letter published in the school’s student newspaper.

Mr. Obama, a Democrat, has continued to support race-based affirmative action, calling it “absolutely necessary” when he was a state senator in Illinois and criticizing the Supreme Court for curtailing it in his time in the United States Senate. But in his presidential campaign, he has unsettled some black supporters by focusing increasingly on class and suggesting that poor whites should at times be given preference over more privileged blacks.

His ruminations about shifting the balance between race and class in some affirmative action programs raise the possibility that, if elected in November, he might foster a deeper national conversation about an issue that has been fiercely debated for decades. He declined to comment for this article.

“We have to think about affirmative action and craft it in such a way where some of our children who are advantaged aren’t getting more favorable treatment than a poor white kid who has struggled more,” Mr. Obama said last week in a question-and-answer session at a convention of minority journalists in Chicago.

During a presidential debate in April, Mr. Obama said his two daughters, Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, “who have had a pretty good deal” in life, should not benefit from affirmative action when they apply to college, particularly if they were competing for admission with poor white students.

While Mr. Obama’s biracial background in many ways makes him an ideal bridge between racial sensibilities, the issue remains politically treacherous, especially with race taking an increasingly prominent role in the campaign. Indeed, Mr. Obama’s comments have already begun resonating in the long-running dispute over affirmative action, emerging as three states consider ballot initiatives that would ban racial preferences altogether.

“We have to have these conversations about race and class,” said John Payton, the president of the N.A.A.C.P. Legal Defense and Educational Fund. Mr. Payton disagreed with Mr. Obama’s stance on his daughters, but said he believed that his comments would lead to a thoughtful national discussion.

Still, Mr. Payton said, “everybody is nervous that in a political campaign we get reduced to slogans, and the narrowest of slogans, so that you don’t get good discussions.”

In some respects, Mr. Obama’s remarks simply reflect a growing consensus that class should play a significant role in affirmative action programs. It already does in states like California and Michigan, where voters have decided that race can no longer be a factor in government hiring or public university admissions. A Supreme Court decision last year, which barred public school districts from assigning students to schools based on their race, has also forced administrators to focus on socioeconomic status in their efforts to integrate segregated public schools.

But the Supreme Court has also said that universities could consider race as they worked to diversify their campuses. Proponents of such programs point out that blacks continue to face discrimination regardless of class or income. Some fear that Mr. Obama’s focus on the socioeconomic status of his daughters — as opposed to the diversity of experience and perspective they might bring to predominantly white campuses — may help conservatives in their battle to eliminate race from university admissions and government hiring.

Ward Connerly, a crusader against affirmative action, said he believed that Mr. Obama’s remarks would buoy support for his ballot initiatives in Arizona, Colorado and Nebraska in November that would ban preferential treatment on the basis of race, ethnicity and sex in government hiring and public education.

Last week, Mr. Obama’s Republican rival, Senator John McCain, announced his support for those measures. He also accused Mr. Obama of injecting race into the campaign, citing his remarks that Republicans would try to scare voters by pointing out that “he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.” Mr. Obama’s campaign officials said the remark had been misconstrued.

Mr. Obama opposes the ballot initiatives, saying they would derail efforts to break down barriers for women and members of minorities. But Mr. Connerly said Mr. Obama had already helped the cause. “He’s advanced the debate,” Mr. Connerly said. “He’s brought it to a new level.”

Charles J. Ogletree Jr., a professor at Harvard Law School and an adviser on black issues to Mr. Obama, said some of Mr. Obama’s supporters were “obviously concerned about whether this is a retreat from a commitment to affirmative action in its classical sense.”

Mr. Ogletree, who supports Mr. Obama’s presidential bid, said Mr. Obama continued to support race-based preferences and understood that race still circumscribed the lives of many Americans. But he and civil rights lawyers like Mr. Payton say Mr. Obama’s daughters should not be barred from affirmative action programs because they may well encounter racial discrimination, unlike their white peers. Studies suggest that employers often favor white job seekers over black applicants, even when their educational backgrounds and work experiences are nearly identical. Mr. Obama’s “daughters are not going to be judged in a colorblind way throughout their lives,” Mr. Ogletree said.

Some of Mr. Obama’s supporters said they thought he was emphasizing class in part to woo white voters, who typically favor preferences that benefit the poor, surveys show. But his friends and former classmates dispute that, saying his evolving views reflect years of wrestling with the issue of affirmative action, as a matter of policy and in his own personal life.

Mr. Obama was raised by his mother, a white single parent who struggled at times to support him and his sister. In his first book, “Dreams From My Father,” Mr. Obama described how his friends from the private high school he attended sometimes commented on the lack of food in the family’s refrigerator.

In Chicago, where Mr. Obama worked as a community organizer before attending law school, he met white and black steelworkers, secretaries and truck drivers who had lost their jobs. Friends say that as Mr. Obama worked with these poor families, he became keenly aware of his own privilege.

Former classmates say Mr. Obama chose not to mention his race in his application to Harvard Law School to avoid benefiting from affirmative action, an assertion that his campaign declined to confirm or deny.

“His work was with those who didn’t have much, and they were black, Hispanic and white,” said Gerald Kellman, who hired Mr. Obama to help organize poor families in Chicago. “He never had much inclination to use affirmative action as a tool then. He wanted to level the playing field by providing early childhood education programs, access to good schools.”

Even as Mr. Obama embraced more traditional liberal views of affirmative action, he was rarely doctrinaire. As a student, Mr. Obama sometimes engaged in and sometimes avoided the bitter racial debates on campus.

As an undergraduate at Occidental College, for instance, he declined to get involved in student efforts to push for affirmative action and minority hiring. At Harvard, he spoke at a rally in support of students who condemned the school administration for failing to offer tenure to any of its professors who were black women.

But he and other editors at the law review were ambivalent when some students argued that women should benefit from the review’s affirmative action policy. (The review’s leadership, which included several women, ultimately decided that the policy should not single out women, saying a dip in their number for one year seemed to be a statistical anomaly.)

“He was clearly unambiguously in favor of affirmative action as a policy matter, but he recognized some of the ambiguities and the nuances in the argument that the most passionate affirmative action supporters often did not,” said Bradford A. Berenson, who served as associate White House counsel under President Bush and worked on the law review with Mr. Obama.

Mr. Obama was sympathetic to minority students who argued that affirmative action undermined them in the eyes of their white colleagues. But he said he never felt that way at Harvard.

“I have not personally felt stigmatized,” Mr. Obama wrote in his letter to the editor in 1990.

That changed after law school.

A federal judge once asked a friend of Mr. Obama’s whether he had been “elected on the merits” as law review president, Mr. Obama told The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education in 2001. He said the question came up again when he applied for a job as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School.

Mr. Obama has not described how he felt then. But as a state senator, he spoke with empathy about accomplished minority students at elite universities who sometimes lived “under a cloud they could not erase.”

Over the past few years, Mr. Obama has also voiced sympathy for whites who feel resentful of race-based affirmative action and questioned how long such programs need to continue.

Even as he argued that timetables for minority hiring may be necessary where there is evidence of systemic discrimination, he also warned in his second book, “The Audacity of Hope,” that “white guilt has largely exhausted itself in America.”

It was 2006 then, and Mr. Obama was a wealthy senator considering a bid for the presidency. He worried that race-based preferences, while necessary, might undermine efforts at building cross-racial coalitions.

Presaging his recent focus on class, Mr. Obama argued that whites were more likely to join blacks in supporting programs that were not racially based.

“An emphasis on universal, as opposed to race-specific programs isn’t just good policy,” Mr. Obama said in his book. “It’s good politics.”

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IITs reveal all: OBCs on par

IITs reveal all: OBCs on par

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Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:53:00 AM

IITs reveal all: OBCs on par

Mihika Basu

In an attempt to make Joint Entrance Examination (JEE) procedures more
transparent, all editions of the Indian Institute of Technology (IITs)
for the first time displayed aggregate and subject-wise cutoffs,
relaxations applied for reserved categories and aggregate total of
different categories on the website on Friday. It also included
aggregate total and subject-wise marks of first and last-admitted
candidates, and opening and closing ranks of those admitted.

The IITs had decided to relax cut-offs for OBCs by 10% if required and
by 40% for SC/ST. But as reported earlier by DNA, figures revealed
that for OBCs, the IITs did not have to lower the aggregate cut-off
and it was the same (172) for common and OBC merit lists. Of the 8,652
candidates who cleared JEE, 1,134 OBC students (14.35%) found a place
in the common merit list.

However, for SC and ST students, cut-offs were 40% lower than
aggregate of last-qualified candidate in common list and 690 SCs and
159 STs qualified with relaxed aggregate cut-off of 103.2.

Aggregate marks of first ranker in common list was 433, it was 365 for
first OBC 0ranker, and 322 and 292 for first rankers of SC and ST
respectively.

Again, while the difference between aggregate total of first and
last-admitted general category candidate is 253 marks, the difference
is 174 between first and last admitted OBC candidate. This difference
becomes 218 marks for SC and 188 for ST categories. There is a
difference of just eight marks between last-admitted general and OBC
candidates, and it becomes 76 between last-admitted general and
last-admitted SC/ST candidates.

Analysis of the aggregate total for every 501st ranker in different
categories showed that there was a difference of 79 marks for OBC, 174
for SC from the 501st ranker in common merit list.

Significantly, individual subject-wise cutoffs, determined on the
basis that top 80% candidates qualify in each subject, cut-offs for
the general category were 5 in maths, 0 in physics and 3 in chemistry.
It was relaxed by 10% for OBC (4.5 in maths, 0 in physics and 2.7 in
chemistry) and 40% for SC/ST (3 in maths, 0 in physics and 1.8 in
chemistry. This procedure was adopted in JEE 2007.

"But subject cut-offs have been used only as a filtering criteria and
these are not the minimum marks of candidates admitted. It's the
aggregate marks that are used for ranking. Subject cut-offs don't make
any difference in the final list. Analysis has shown whatever be the
subject cut-off, there's not much difference up to top 20%," said an
IIT-Bombay professor.

Asked if subject wise cut-offs would be removed or changed next year,
outgoing IIT-B director Ashok Misra said that "it certainly needs to
be reviewed".

JEE 2008 papers with answers were also put out on the website.
Students were also able to check their performance card by entering
registration number and date of birth.

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Just a handful of ST students make it

Just a handful of ST students make it

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Just a handful of ST students make it
2 Aug 2008, 0152 hrs IST, Hemali Chhapia,TNN

MUMBAI: Union HRD minister Arjun Singh may not have dreamt of this
when he announced his plan to start six new IITs: just a handful of
Scheduled Tribe (ST) students — considered among the most backward
classes — has made it to the new institutions in 2008-09. Worse, most
seats reserved for SCs and STs in the older IITs are also vacant.

Of the 3.11 lakh students who took the Joint Entrance Exam (JEE),
8,514 were STs and 28,393 SCs. In all, the 13 IITs have 414 seats for
ST candidates, but only 159 students were shortlisted after the JEE.
Similarly, for the 832 seats reserved for SCs across 13 campuses, only
690 students qualified.

While some SC/ST seats in the older IITs will be filled by students
who were admitted to a preparatory course in 2007, there will be no
such admission in the newer IITs. There will be an "aberration" for
the new IITs in this regard, said IIT-Delhi director Surendra Prasad.
Each IIT sets aside 15% seats for SC and 7.5% seats for ST students.
The reserved category students were shortlisted after the IITs relaxed
entry norms drastically for them.

For instance, if the first candidate in the general category scored
433, his counterpart in the ST merit list scored 292. If one looks
lower down the order, the students who came last in the SC and ST
categories scored 104 each, with marks as low as 8 for the SC
candidate and 12 for the ST candidate in physics (see box). The
scenario for the new entrants__Other Backward Classes__is rather
different. No relaxation of marks was required to admit OBC students
and those seats were also not filled.

The IITs, which have already been lowering admission levels for SCs
and STs, now feel that with the number of seats for these categories
going up, while general category seats stay constant, a larger
population of students will have to be taken in, probably at
rock-bottom scores.

IIT-Bombay director Ashok Misra, who had pointed this out to the
Veerappa Moily Oversight Committee, feels the issue has been
completely overlooked. "To take in so many reserved category students,
admission criteria will have to be relaxed," he told TOI. The reserved
categories' tale keeps repeating itself over the years. Last year, the
aggregate score of the last ranker in the general category was 206;
the same scores for SC and ST candidates stood at 126. Several
reserved category students who scored below 126 were also taken in for
the year-long preparatory course.

A 1993 report by ex-IIT-Madras director P V Indiresan and ex-IIT-Delhi
director N C Nigam dwelled on the impact of quotas in IITs. "Nearly
50% of the reserved seats remain vacant as SC/ST students are unable
to secure the minimum threshold marks (two-thirds of the last
candidate admitted in the general category). Of those admitted, almost
25% are asked to leave due to poor performance," the report said.

Times View
To let over 430 seats in IITs go vacant is criminal waste of an
extremely precious resource. Reservations are justified to give a leg
up to disadvantaged sections of society. But where they are not able
to fill up the quota because enough suitable candidates are not
available, the cut-off for the general list should be relaxed so that
all seats are used up. These seats are "perishable"; if they are not
used this year, they can't be carried over next year. So, we should
not waste them and make optimum use of the infrastructure created.
This should, of course, in no way affect next year's quota.

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More seats, IIT cut-offs drop

More seats, IIT cut-offs drop

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More seats, IIT cut-offs drop
2 Aug, 2008, 2030 hrs IST,Hemali Chhapia, TNN

Mumbai: The increase in the number of seats at the IITs may have spelt
good news, but entry levels have fallen at these hallowed
institutions. If the total seats went up from 5,537 to 6,992 this
year, the general category cut-off has fallen from 206 to 180 out of
489. Also, only a handful of ST students qualified for the six new
IITs.

Despite the "generous" relaxations the IITs provide for the quota
candidates , 397 SC/ST seats are going abegging and almost 35 OBC
seats are vacant. IIT-Madras director P V Indiresan said, "The drop in
cut-offs is significant. One reason could be that the IITs took in
more students. But there are other concerns—the JEE is outdated for
one. Also, the quality of quota candidates admitted is being
compromised as more students need to be taken in."

SORRY FIGURES

Overall cut-off marks have fallen from 206 to 180 this year as the
number of seats has gone up by 1,455. The cut-off for SC/STs is a mere
104.

3.11 lakh students took the JEE this year for 6,992 seats in 13 IITs.
Of these, 414 seats were reserved for ST candidates , but only 159
were shortlisted. Similarly, only 690 were shortlisted for the 832 SC
seats. The OBC figures were 1,099 out of 1,134. This means that 432
seats have gone abegging this year.


The top ranker in the general category scored 433 marks while the last
student to make it scored 180. Among SCs & STs, the toppers scored 322
and 292.

Experts say that a span of 14 marks can accommodate nearly 1,500
general category students. Assuming a cut-off of even 150, it means
that nearly 4,500 general category students have conceivably lost out
on an IIT education.

Times View:

To let over 430 seats in IITs go vacant is a criminal waste of
infrastructure (such as faculty and physical facilities). Reservations
are meant to give disadvantaged sections of society a boost. But where
quotas cannot be filled because there aren't enough suitable
candidates, the cut-off for the general category should be relaxed so
that all seats are used up—the cut-off will still be higher than for
SC/STs, so no one can argue that it will dilute academic standards. As
with airline seats and hotel rooms, these seats are 'perishable' ,
they must be filled the same year. This should not affect next year's
quota.

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Only reservtion for dalits is not enough: Kainth

 Only reservtion for dalits is not enough: Kainth

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Only reservtion for dalits is not enough: Kainth
VERINDER SAREEN
Sunday, 03 August 2008
NAWANSHEHAR: Former MP and president of Bahujan Samaj Morcha Satnam
Singh Kainth said on Sunday that in the present scenario in which the
entry of private sector in different aspects of life has thrown up new
issues and challenges, only pressing for reservations would do Dalits
no good.

Addressing a meeting of party workers here yesterday, Kainth said the
increasing gap between the rich and the poor, collapse of vital
sectors like health and education, increase in unemployment among the
poor esp. the Dalits and globalisation were the issues that were of
utmost concern at the moment. He accused the SAD-BJP alliance in
Punjab of failure on all fronts. Atrocities on poor had increased and
there was frustration among them as no one was listening to their
grievances in the state, said Kainth who urged his cadres not to
become a tool in the hands of power-hungry politicians.

An awareness programme had been prepared for creating awakening on
vital issues among the poor and the Dalits, he added.

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